SPI 077: From Nothing to 5-Figures per Month in Less Than a Year with John Lee Dumas of Entrepreneur on Fire

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In this session of The Smart Passive Income Podcast, I’m super stoked to welcome my good friend and host of one of the fastest growing and most popular business podcasts available, John Lee Dumas from Entrepreneur on Fire.

In case you have yet to be introduced to John and his show, John produces a daily (yes, daily!) podcast interview show where he features an entrepreneur every single day and dives deep into their success stories, strategies, struggles, “A ha!” moments and more – and the craziest part about John’s show, besides the fact that he’s already making 5 figures per month from his efforts, is the fact that a year ago from today, he hadn’t even started yet.

Today, we can help him celebrate the publication of his 300th episode!

In this session, you’ll hear exactly how he got the idea to create Entrepreneur on Fire and how he was told by multiple people not do to what he wanted to do, but he did it anyway. You’ll be surprised when you hear exactly who those people are too.

More specifically, in this session you’ll find out about:

  • How in the world John is able to produce a daily podcast episode, including tips and strategies for productivity. 
  • The one thing John did to quick start his business and connect with the right people at the right time.
  • Why John’s been able to become so successful in a market that already had popular entrepreneur interview shows.
  • How John is monetizing his podcast, including details about how sponsorship works.
  • Details about John’s VA team – what kind of virtual assistants he hired, how much he’s paying for each and where he got them.
  • What John learned (from me!) and implemented in 2 days that quickly increased his email list conversion rate.
  • What can really happen when you listen to your audience.
  • Minimum viable products.
  • How to get your podcast listeners to take action.
  • $0.99 cent domains!
  • The 5 most common traits and characteristics that John has learned after 300+ interviews.
  • Plus a whole lot more!

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A new ‘Ask Pat’ session of the SPI Podcast will be coming soon!

Help Out the Show!

And lastly, if you haven’t done so already I would love if you took a minute to leave a quick rating and review of the podcast on iTunes by clicking on the link below! It would be extremely helpful for the show and I’m aiming for 1000 5-star ratings before the end of the year! We are currently at 955 5-star ratings – you are amazing, thank you!

Thank you so much for listening! I hope you enjoyed this episode of the podcast! Please let me and John know what you think in the comment section below. Cheers!


Click Here to Download the Transcript for Session 77 (PDF)

  • http://www.keithowenbjj.com Keith Owen

    Thanks Pat, I love your podcasts. I always save your new episodes for when I’m walking my dog.

    Congrats on your record breaking income for July by the way :)

  • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


    This is truly a special day for me. Thank you for having me on your amazing show and I look forward to interacting and engaging with the incredible SPI community :-)

    • http://www.untetheredincome.com Allen

      John, one of my friends just bought your audiobook version of how to launch a podcast and we were talking about it earlier today. I too will be picking up. I love to see people succeed who work with passion – it’s one of the reasons Pat (and maybe you in the near future) are just a handful of people I care to follow. Congrats on your success and I look forward to both the podcast and your publication.

      • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

        Thanks for the kind words Allen! I hope you enjoy Podcast Launch…I share it all!

  • http://www.nichecove.com Goran Gligorin

    Hey Pat!

    I still can’t believe your July income. I’m in awe. And not just by that, by everything you do. You seem to be pumping out so many things all the time at such a great pace. I just started and I can’t believe that this is even possible.

    I really liked this podcast. I can’t believe how fast John got his podcast so popular. I like that he went with such a crazy idea, but stuck to it. I think that if so many people tell you the it can be done, you’re doing something right.

    Stories like these also give me a big “get up and go do something” kick in the butt kind of motivation :)

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      Crazy consistency I like to call it :-) I am so glad you enjoyed!

  • Andres Zuleta

    Pat, great topic!

    John, a huge congratulations on making it to 300. My mind is blown when I think about how many episodes of EOF there will eventually be. And I am sure that one day soon you will come up with a way to make even more than one podcast per day 😉

    Both of you, keep up the awesome work and thank you.

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      Thank you for the kind words! We’ll have a bonfire the night of my 1000th.

  • Roger

    Pat – I know we all use the word ‘Awesome’ a bit too much, but today it is well deserved! Awesome income report! Awesome guest today with John Lee Dumas! Thanks for having John on the show – my two favorite AWESOME podcasters in one episode. Congratulations to both of you! Keep it up, we love it!

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      You are too kind! Thank YOU for your awesome InfusionSoft advice. You are the man when it comes to Confusionsoft…that’s for sure!

  • http://www.victorbjorklund.com Victor Björklund

    Hi Pat,

    Downloading the episode now and looking forward to a great episode!

    Victor Björklund

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

      Let me know what your biggest takeaway is Victor!

  • http://www.voicesofmarketing.com John Shea

    You and John are both huge inspirations for my Podcast and Interview show, I’ve had the honor to speak with both of you. I hope to interview John at some point as well. This sounds like an awesome episode and I will be listening this weekend!

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      I would be honored to be a guest on your show!

  • http://incomepress.com Joey Kissimmee

    Congrats to my homie John. I remember interviewing him when he was first starting out and for me, to see the growth is just amazing.

    John, this is just the first year. Bigger things are about to happen brotha. I see you on TV very soon 😉

    I’ll be listening to this episode while on my daily walk with my son. Can’t wait…

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      You are my brother from another mother. Many props to you for the action you take daily!

  • http://www.webics.com.au Ory Purhonen

    This is the best Podcast I have seen in a long time. Well done guys! It’s funny you mention the whole “baby” thing. I was only talking to someone about this the other day! – I’m going to wait a while before testing this theory!

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      You will make amazing babies when the time comes…but I agree…enjoy your 20’s :-)

  • http://void-life.com Bryan

    love the podcasts Pat! these are the kind of things i need to keep me motivated week by week.

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

      So glad you enjoyed Bryan! Stay inspired!

  • http://www.MegaMoxie.com Amber Hurdle

    Pat, this was a great episode! I have been following John since the beginning, pretty much, and we interact every day through Fire Nation Elite. Yet you STILL were able to ask “behind the scenes” questions that were great take-a-ways for me. John, what I love about you is your continued humility. You know what you know and you share it. What you don’t know or aren’t an expert at, you point to the person who is the area expert or give them credit for your learnings. Knowing you don’t have to know everything all the time, you just have to know someone who does, is a valuable enough lesson to gain from listening to your story! Thanks to you both for more amazing content for your tribes!

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      FireNationElite is lucky to have you and thank you for this amazing share!

  • http://www.pureleverage.com/gmproblogger/how-much-is-it-to-advertise-on-facebook Gugulethu

    The most important message I picked up from the podcast is that build an audience 1st then listen to what they want and just give it to them. I think this is much easier as compared to creating a product 1st and finding the audience after.

    Really great podcast, I want to thank you so much for sharing brother Pat. It’s always good to invest in myself 😉


    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      You took away an amazing point! Thank you for sharing!

  • http://easytechsite.com shawn ozbun

    Wow, thanks for the pro-tip about the .99 cent domain name! That’s crazy awesome. I wish I had known about that before hand.

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      Pretty cool huh? Glad I can help now go snag some .coms!

  • http://www.webpromotionbyexpert.com/ yogesh

    I am regular reader of pat blog. Every post has a unique and this time we get read john success story. really superb John, your postcast success is amazing. love it.

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      Thank you for your kind words! Stay inspired!

  • http://www.asaptechnologiesny.com Mauricio Sanchez


    Thank you for all the great value you give to the world. Loved episode 77. You and John Lee Dumas are such great sources of inspiration for all entrepreneurs.

    The SPI podcast was the first podcast I ever listened to and now I am an avid podcast listener. You inspired me to take action from day 1 and that is all I have been doing and it feels awesome.

    I am a **FNE**member** and joining this group has been a superb experience. The whole group has been very welcoming , full of positive energy and an igniting desire to help each other. I still have a way to go, but it is all about the journey not the destination and I’m loving my journey!!!

    Thank you again and God bless you man.

    Mauricio Sanchez.

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      Starting with Pat is the best place you could have started. Thank you for the kind words!

  • http://www.homestylegreen.com Matthew Cutler-Welsh

    Two greats speaking together = awesome podcast. Love your work guys. You both lead the way for promoting honesty, inspiration and actionable advice in podcasting.

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

      MCW…Thanks for the kind words and Pat leads the way, I just try to follow :-)

  • Tina

    I guess I am getting started! Very motivation interview!
    Thanks Pat.

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      The best time to start is 20 years ago…the 2nd best time is today :-) (Chinese proverb)

  • http://Hcgchica.com Rayzel lam

    GREAT Podcast patt and John! One of my favs seriously. It’s crazy I remember seeing u John in a video clip here on patt’s site at that expo several months ago and it’s amazing to think how quickly you have built a successful business and income! I had no idea until I was already kind of into it just what a great living we can make online in a way that is satisfying as well- but I 100 percent agree about the need to build an audience first. Mine started building accidentally through a personal journey that I took online with others, but I was then able to see the ideas that could come from that and then work hard and go with it. Thanks again guys! I feel like I should start a podcast or video interview site focused more on women entrepreneurs because it always seems like there are hardly any women interviewed- they must be hiding! I might start looking under some rocks……hehe

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

      Hi Rayzel!

      You rock what a great share! I totally think you should start a podcast focused on women entrepreneurs. I do pride myself at keeping it close to 50/50 on EntrepreneurOnFire as there are a TON of amazing women out there doing AMAZING things!

      • http://Hcgchica.com Rayzel lam

        I know I have to apologize actually because I am just now getting into podcast listening as i’m a reader usually but have really begun to enjoy listening to these- i think it also has to do with the fact that people like u guys have great personalities so its enjoyable to listen to and I’m definitely going to start listening to yours John- that’s great U have a fairly even split of women and men. I also wanted to mention I loved what I shared about your massive Monday work days where u get so much done at the start of the week- I really have to work on not getting distracted when I work its definitely one of my downfalls.

        • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

          Distractions and overcoming the abundance of them are the name of the game. I saw you applied for FireNationElite so we’ll chat about that then. Yay!

  • http://www.theclothingbroker.com Valarie

    What a great interview! I’ve been listening to Entrepreneur On Fire since around episode 40 (though it is hard to keep up sometimes :-)

    And John, I know it seemed crazy to do a podcast every day, but that’s one of the reasons I became a listener, is the consistency. Even when you listen to a podcast that comes out weekly, if you don’t like that particular episode or person being interviewed then it’s another week until you get something new. With EOF, you don’t have to listen to every episode but in any given week you can at least find a few that you want to get into. So KUDOS to you for taking the road less traveled.

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      You just made my day! :-)

  • Justin Williams

    I’ve been investing in RE full time for about 6.5 years now, but with no other biz background. 2 months ago I decided I wanted to learn more about other biz opportunities, so I looked up the top biz podcasts and there was E O Fire right behind Dave Ramsey’s 2 podcasts. The first guest was Pat Flynn, and I was blown away and went and listened to about 30 episodes in one week of Flynn and then back to E O Fire for a total of about 100 podcasts that first month!

    Awesome to see what has happened in that short time! Crazy to think Pat was John’s first guest and today I just listened to John on his show and see their journey and to see John pass up at least one of Mr Ramsey’s podcast shows as of today!!!

    I recently joined the Fire Nation Elite team and will be launching my own podcast on Oct. 1st! Amazing what can happen in only 2 short months!!!

    Thank you both for all of the valuable content you share and the inspiration that you are!

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      FireNationElite is lucky to have you and I can’t wait to see where you take your new venture…exciting!

  • Sandy D

    GREAT episode. John- inspiring as always. No matter how many times I hear your story, I learn something new. I was definitely affected by “the baby effect.” :) Pat- I love the chemistry you have with all your guests. Thanks guys.

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      So glad you enjoyed! The Baby Effect is the real deal. Who wants to do a study? The occurrences far outweigh coincidence :-)

  • http://youtube.com/facelikethesun Gonz

    Great episode. Every time I listen to this podcast, I get inspired to do something to improve my podcast/blog. Thank you!

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      Glad to hear it! Keep rockin!

      • http://youtube.com/facelikethesun Gonz

        thanks John. This episode really got me thinkin about what I should do regarding the relaunch of my blog as far as putting out a daily podcast. I know it’s a lot of work but it might be worth it.

        • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

          “Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work.” Thomas Edison

  • http://www.firsthomepodcast.com Jeff Andrews

    This was an awesome episode! Having my 2 favorite podcasters giving awesome advice on one show is like The Avengers and Justice League combining forces!

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      I am honored at the comparison. Out of curiosity…who is The Avengers and who is Justice League? :-)

  • http://www.incomegin.com Josh Lee

    Pat and John: Excellent podcast, and what great synergy you guys produced!

    By the way, I completely agree that growing your family will light a fire under you!

    For those needing that fire but without plans to marry/have children soon: Find a way to create similar urgency (but use your head). Accountability is key. For example, set deadlines and find a mentor who will hold you accountable like John and Pat discussed. Perhaps connect with someone else who is about at the same place in terms of growing a business and create a friendly competition with goals and deadlines (e.g., NSD 1.0). Figure out what/who your motivators are and keep them before your eyes (or in your earbuds, etc.). Write it all down. Figure out what’s at stake if you don’t __________ (fill in the blank). What is the reward if you do __________.

    Just some thoughts.

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

      Love the response Josh! Let me take a stab…what’s at stake if you don’t TAKE ACTION. What is the reward if you do reach out to one person in your field that you respect and add value.

      • http://www.incomegin.com Josh Lee


  • http://mediagoalsolutions.com Steve Goad

    Great podcast – look forward to listening to it over and over again. Txs….

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      Just like fine wine, Pat gets better with age :-)

  • http://LernenDerZukunft.com Andreas K. Giermaier

    HI to the two of you!
    THANKs for both of your inspiring work for around the world (as John’s strapline is ::-)) I mean you reach me in Innsbruck, Austria! (quite FAR from the two of you)
    and for NOT holding back with whats really differentiating you from a lot of scammy others who juts want to sell you stuff

    And John you dont only ignite your listeners… there are even others starting DAILY interviews (you know MIKE from Maine, or Ryan Lee soon…) but no one can take away YOUR first-mover-advantage!

    Remember David Garland said it would take him about 2-3 years to come to such a level where your are now within this year.

    plus @Pat and @john when will you invite some of the big others like a
    Brendon Burchard, Mike Koenigs, Frank Kern, Eben Pagan…
    I guess this would PUSH YOUR amount of listeners even more… just a little tip from my side :)

    and maybe one day one or even the two of you will want to invite me :)
    honestly I’m blogging since 2007 for about 5k readers and recently started an interview show here (Video like TheRiseToTheTop) but lots of potential in growth 😉 they say DREAM BIG. So why shouldn’t I follow these rules
    yours Andreas

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

      Thanks for listening Andreas!

  • http://www.mobilemixed.com Greg Hickman

    Pat and John!

    Great episode and candid chat. Thanks for the shout out and the “rising start” comment.

    One day soon I plan on making an appearance on John’s podcast. 😉

    Thanks for all that you both do.


    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      You are a “rising start” 😉

  • http://www.doubtthedoubts.com Paul Blais

    Once again, Pat, you hit it out of the park! I love your guest, John Lee Dumas. He is so full of great insights and inspiration. Thanks for sharing his story.

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      You are too kind! I have to admit to being a fan of your podcast, ‘Doubt the Doubts’ as well!

  • http://www.phponly.com/blog cristian

    I am a big fan of Entrepreneur on Fire, I’ve been listening to it for eight months every day. Thank you John Lee Dumas.

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      You are my Avatar! Thank you!

  • http://www.indyfranchiselaw.com Josh Brown

    Great interview, Pat & John!! First off, Pat, your monthly net income for July is unreal!

    John- really enjoyed learning more about you and your story. I also enjoyed learning more about Chris Ducker’s VA service and some of the things you are doing behind the scenes…..Great job!

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      Chris’s service is a great place to start for VA’s…thanks for the feedback!

  • Fred Owusu

    Great interview with John.. By far one of my favorites. Giving value to your readers is definitely my goal. This is the reason why SPI has grown so big…. Thanks again

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      Value first and foremost…thanks for the share!

  • http://www.iwordsofwisdom.com/ Dems

    Thanks Pat and John,

    I took a lot away from this podcast. I always get challenged by everything you do Pat! Keep it coming.. we are being blessed. John! What a passion. I hope to get my podcast rolling after hearing this.

  • Celest Horton

    Congratulations John!! 300 episodes and I can’t wait for the next 300 and beyond. EOFire and SPI are my two favorite ‘go to’ podcasts for my morning workouts. Thank you for the amazing content!

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      So honored to be one of you go to’s! I too am excited for beyond 300 as well!

  • http://researchasahobby.com Michael Bely

    Thanks Pat for the link to entrepreneuronfire.com. I was surprised that John has got 5 figure income in his productive podcast blog. Looking at the social activity and the number of comments on his website it is really inspiring that even with small engagement of visitors there is such a great financial result. I think I will definitely listen to the podcast.

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      It’s all about serving the audience you have! I look forward to having you as a listener :-)

      • http://researchasahobby.com Michael Bely

        Thanks John. Btw, I am amazed by your productivity!

  • http://mobileappchat.com/ Steve Young

    Pat & John, you guys rocked it! Such awesome content.

    As someone who has experienced it himself – the “baby effect” is the real deal.

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      The Host of EntrepreneurOnFire episode 150….how are you!? Knowing you, I have to say that your passion would always be there, baby or not, but I am glad you agree that the baby effect can light a spark!

  • http://www.jacqfruit.wordpress.com Jacqueline Yuan

    Thanks to both of you Pat and John, I now WANT to be stuck in Melbourne’s traffic just so I can listen to your inspiring podcasts uninterrupted! They also keep my 9 month old from crying! – he must be soaking it all in :)
    Congratulations to you both on all your successes and I look forward to many more drives with you both!

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      Your baby is a born Entrepreneur, I can tell! 😉

  • http://www.blogmunchies.com/ Moe

    Hey John,
    I love the podcast everyday model. I have about 5-6 MMO podcasts that i like to listen to including this one, and still i run out of them and am always eagerly waiting for the next available one. You definitely have a new listener with me.

    Checked out your site entrepreneuronfire. Here is a suggestion. Since you have so many podcasts and the number will just get bigger and bigger and overwhelm many newcomers. It would be really cool if they were organized by categories, or there was a search function that allowed users to search by type/relavancy. What i mean is when i have an interest in a particular MMO subject, that is the type of podcast i am starving for. For example i am setting up a membership site right now, and i have been scouring the net for any podcasts i can find that are about membership sites. When i was building niche sites i wanted to listen to anything related to niche sites.

    I think if you made it easier for people to find their targeted podcast subject, your SEO, bounce rate, and traffic would improve noticeably. Thats just my opinion

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      It’s a great opinion and thanks for sharing! I have already passed it over to Kate and she is looking into it…on a Saturday morning I may add 😉

  • http://www.grabprofits.com Perry

    Good Podcast. Thanks for providing them. I have been following concepts about doing a Kindle book. I believe that this may not be as profitable as I once thought. I have been really impressed with this company that has catapulted to the top 200 most visited websites in the world according to Alexa.com. They are kicking out impressive monthly income. I am hanging up my Kindle publishing career and going to go all out on http://www.grabprofits.com

  • http://pinstagramguy.com Ivo

    Thanks Pat, for another great episode and for introducing me to John, followed his podcast and newsletter right away. John, you are the man: 1 episode per day is AMAZING! Congrats and keep going, you have a new fan here 😉

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      YOU are the man :-) and thanks!

  • http://www.extremehealthradio.com Justin

    Great interview Pat. :) Hey John, I was wondering, I couldn’t tell from the show…. do you have over 300,000 total downloads or over 200K downloads per month?

    I’m curious about the sponsorships. Can you do a whole blog post about that? Are you charging roughly .20 cents per download? How long do the agreements last for (3 months?) and how often (say in a month) does each sponsor make it onto one of your shows?

    Great stuff John. Keep it up!

  • http://warriormen.com Glen

    Just about the time I want to quit and feel discouraged, I hear John and Pat, and it helps me refocus. Thank you both for your encouragement, practical advice, and tremendous value you add to my life.

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      FOCUS: Follow One Course Until Success!

      • http://livingformondays.com/7-days-1-trial-for-living-for-mondays-academy/ Monja

        John, love that sentence, great advice. I think that is why you need passion for your theme or you’ll never be able to follow through

        • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

          Could not agree more Monja!

      • http://www.moneyAhoy.com Derek @ MoneyAhoy.com


        I love that acronym! So often it seems like people give up way to easily.

        That seems to be the main difference between those that “make it” and those that don’t.

        • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

          Thanks Derek, and I totally agree!

    • http://smallbusiness-ideas-for-women.blogspot.com/ Business tips

      For the first time I visited your blog, Well, here I found a lot of interesting content, thanks for sharing..

      • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

        Glad you found value BT!

    • http://brightideas.co Trent Dyrsmid


      You might want to grab yourself a copy of a book called Ready, Fire, Aim: Zero to $100M in No Time Flat. I’m reading it now and it has been absolutely packed with really solid actionable ideas. And, if you are looking for content for your blog, or other bloggers to network with, be sure and check out Triberr as there are some really smart folks that hang out there.


      • http://exploringmindandbody.com Drew

        Thanks for these tips Trent, I’m always looking to make connections. I’m going to look into this book right away and visit Triberr right now.
        Thanks again!

  • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas
  • http://theinsuranceproblog.com Brantley Whitley

    Episode 77 knocks it out of the park. Any time you can get Pat and John on the same podcast, you’ve got a recipe for awesome sauce! The heavy doses of inspiration, technical know-how and transparency that you both give of so freely has kept me moving down the entrepreneurial path.

    Now, as a proud FNE member, I can attest to the fact that John has also built a community of awesomeness where he can directly influence people on a daily basis.

    Cheers to you both on your inspiring leadership!

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      YOU are awesome sauce…and I love that phrase…can I start using on EOFire?

    • http://www.marketingyourfarm.com/new-here/ Iain

      I’m just getting a feeling for that in the comments Brantley.

      I love how engaged John is here. It’s awesome.

      I can only imagine how amazing FNE must be. With John going through each applicant individually, I can only imagine how many amazing people there are in FNE.

      Glad to have you stop by John.

  • http://www.elevatorentrepreneur.com Adam Callow

    You two blew it out the park,
    once I saw who the guest was I literally put my headphone on in the car, with my fiancee in the passenger seat and said “Sorry sweetie, i need to listen to this. It’s for work”.

    Great timing to as I have just launched my podcast so this was GOLDEN…

    Can’t wait until I can get you on my new show guys. Love your work…keep it up.

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      I laughed out loud at this share…rock on!

  • Therm

    Pat and John…GREAT stuff!!!

    John, you were successful in filling the niche that was missing. There is now a guy who produces podcasts everyday. But my question is, now that you’ve gone from consumer to producer, how do you still consume??
    You’re no longer the real estate guy driving around looking for content to soak up, so does your own podcast now scratch your itch?

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      As the host interviewing Entrepreneurs, my itch is scratched every time I jump on a call with them. It’s delightful :-)

      • Therm

        Haha! Nice.

  • http://ACEproductivity.com Timothy Moser

    John Lee Dumas’s story is an amazing testament to the incredible value of connections and dedication. I’m a relatively long-time listener to both podcasts, and while I personally don’t have it in my schedule keep up with EOFire every day, it’s always there to fill in the cracks when my other podcast subscriptions run out of new content, which is awesome.

    I have a question about making connections. For a new blogger with a small, slowly growing following, what’s the best way to connect with bloggers who are a couple of steps ahead? For example, I’m hoping to attend NMX 2014 in January, but I don’t really know whether the All Access Pass would be worth it for me. And I really believe that my content is uniquely valuable, but like yours, John, my brand is in a market that’s fairly flooded (there are so many bad productivity blogs that it’s hard to be heard above the noise). Do you have any more insights you can share about how someone like me can make good connections with people at higher levels in the industry, or at least a few months further down the road… without sounding presumptuous?

    Thanks! This was a great interview between two amazing podcasters.

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      Thank you for the kind words, Fire Nation is lucky to have you!
      I hope to see you at NMX! I promise to have an answer for you by then 😉

      • http://ACEproductivity.com Timothy Moser

        Sounds awesome! Thanks for all you do!

  • http://www.shadeofinfo.com/blog/ Andrew M. Warner

    Hey Pat,


    I just recently found John Lee Dumas’ podcast a few days after finding your podcast on iTunes and am totally amazed how he can put out quality informative content EVERY SINGLE DAY.

    A few GREAT points I got from this interview.

    1. You have to go out and meet people. This is very key because my mentality with my business was completly wrong. I tried to do everythin myself in the beginning and soon realize that I couldn’t DO everything. I had to go out and meet people and make connections to help further myself and my business. Same goes for people that reach out to me.

    2. That productivity tips are interesting. I just recently started my podcast and I only have time to do one podcast every 2 weeks I find at the moment. Based on this and your past podcast, I’m starting to really focus on productivity so I can, in the future, do more podcasts and provide more content.

    3. Having multiple income streams is something key. Because like you said, if you’re making most of your money from your affiliates and then the affiliate companies suddenly go out of business (knock on wood), there goes your passive income. I’m starting to implement different strategies to make money from multiple streams if possible.

    4. Outsourcing is something that I never considered but after listening to a few episodes that you had and have done, I’ve started to outsource some of my day to day duties. And it has freed up a bunch of my time.

    5. Building and listening to your audience first rather than starting up and coming out with something just to make money. I’ve been a victim of this when I first started and quickly learned that I needed to build an audience first.

    6. Surrounding yourself with like-minded individuals. This is so key and I just had to get myself away from individuals that weren’t helping me or good to be around to help my business.

    7. And lastly, that Albert Einstein quote is a very good quote. Something that ALL entrepreneurs should live by.

    Again thanks Pat as always. Finding your website, podcast, blog and everything that you do a few months ago is really one of the best things to happen to me.

    Keep on doing what you’re doing and lookig forward to many more great podcasts.

    P.S. Sorry for the lengthy post everybody.

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

      Andrew…WOW! Great synopsis! Thank you :-)

      • http://www.shadeofinfo.com/blog/ Andrew M. Warner

        No problem. It was a great interview.

        I’m truly amazed at what you accomplished in a short period of time. When I first started on the web, my mentality was always “how can I get money … or what can I do to make money” … luckily that has changed … now I’m thinking about how can I offer even more content that people would enjoy.

        Truly great stuff.

        • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

          THAT’S the correct mentality AW….you are on it!

    • http://exploringmindandbody.com Drew

      Appreciate the overview Andrew. I’ve struggled with asking for help and making connections myself. Still do actually. Any suggestions on how to reach out and make connections that we look for?

  • Jeff Ludwick

    John, I follow you and Pat specifically. I have many ideas, different avenues I could go, BUT my challenge is on niche-ing it down, what platform to start, etc… Both you and Pat have a niche, but it’s to a very broad audience. The opportunity seems greater, so my hang up for not starting is that I don’t want to paint myself into a corner that no one can see.

    Congrats to your amazing year! You proved that it can be done! thank you.

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

      Thanks Jeff!

      My advice: Niche down, then niche down again. Then Niche again so far it hurts

  • http://www.sharktankpodcast.net TJ


    Way to knock it out of the park. The custom domain idea was my favorite of many takeaways from today’s session, but time froze while you guys chatted. I felt like Frank the Tank once I came to.


    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

      Frank the Tank!

  • http://latesttutorial.com waqa

    i always come to your website and always i get new thing ! thanks bro keep it up !

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

      Glad you enjoyed WaQa!

  • http://www.rotochatter.com Jeff


    Congrats on your success but I do have a question:

    You mentioned to Pat that you got so many emails about people living in areas where they had no outlet for their entrepeneurial ideas and because of that you determined what the next logical step was for you. If you are getting 300,000 downloads per month, how does adding a mastermind group where you got 300 applicants satisfy the needs on your audience.

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

      That’s just about the exact % of action takers in this world, and FireNationElite allows people who want to take action a forum to do so.

  • https://twitter.com/IQentrepreneur Joe

    Fantastic stuff guys! When I glanced over the title, I thought it was 5 figures per year, which would be awesome, but 5 figures per month is ridiculous.

    And I think it’s so cool how Pat and John are willing to help newcomers!

    John, one question for you: How long did it take you until you were able to consistent average about a thousand ($1,000) per month. That’s my first milestone when I get started, and it would help me make a dent in my student loan debt and give me a lot of freedom to go full time with my brand.



    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

      Hi Joe,

      I went with the feast or famine mentality. I could have gotten to $1000 a month fairly quickly, but wanted to wait to turn on any income until I could make it rain.

  • http://smartsimplelife.com Matthew Gullo

    John & Pat,
    Great stuff! I’ve been following Pat for a while now and found Entrepreneur on Fire a few months ago. I’m on fire building Smart Simple Life.com to inspire people to better themselves and reach new heights. I’d love to meet you guys as I could really use a few new people in my top 5.
    Best and continued success to both of you!

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

      Sounds like you need to start going to some conferences Matthew. Great domain name btw!

      • http://smartsimplelife.com Matthew Gullo

        Can you suggest a few conferences for me to attend?

  • http://www.golfkaizen.com/ Anthony

    Awesome. Been online quite a few years, and have never seen anyone build a multiple 6 figure business in under 1 year. Amazing. Challenges ones way of thinking and what is possible.

    Very interesting they way John went about leveraging relationships starting with his mentor, then blog World etc.

    Plus, John set unreasonable goals that no one thought were possible because know one had tried (mindset).

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      Thank you for the kind words! Mindset!

  • http://www.myonlineincomejourney.com Dionne

    That is very inspirational, but the only thing that I don’t understand is how people experience this amount of success in that little amount of time. I haven’t came clost to this success yet.

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      Luck and timing have a lot of play here. Keep at it Dionne!

  • http://top10thebest.com/ Sereyboth Yorn

    Wow! Really inspire! Well done Jonh! As I big fan of Entrepreneur on Fire podcast, I did learn a lot from other entrepreneurs !

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

      Sereyboth, Fire Nation is lucky to have you!

  • http://YourWebsiteEngineer.com Dustin Hartzler

    John! You are appearing everywhere and it’s fantastic. Thanks for giving us motivation. And I too need to FOCUS a little more :)

    Pat – congrats on an awesome month! You are killing it!

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      I still remember meeting at that first Blogworld I mentioned…great memories!

  • http://thecyberdream.com/2013/08/why-empower-network-is-a-scam/ Alvin Chadwick

    Great podcast and I loved the intro song to this one! :)

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

      Pat hits every note he has ever sung

  • http://Creativechurchleadership.com Jamison

    Wow! This episode was packed full of great info. I’m even more amped to launch my podcast in September after listening to this. Thanks for the encouragement. I can’t wait to be one of those eager guys attending new media expo ready to meet such wonderful people like Pat and John.

  • Tom

    Pat & John: Thanks for the great info guys. I had a quick question… John, I am putting your story together from this and other interviews and am definitely inspired by your journey. Thank you for sharing what you have gone through. You said a couple of things that gave me a little bit of the “yeah, but” feeling. While I understand that is not productive, I thought you could clarify something for me. You said that you weren’t able to monetize the show for 5 months. That makes sense to me. However, you also said that you hired Jaime Tardy, joined Cliff’s Podcast Mastermind and hired 2 VAs out of the gate. I am wondering how much money you invested in this journey upfront? Were you working still in CRE through the start up period? Even with VA’s from the Philippines, this sounds like plenty of money going into something that wasn’t returning anything for 5 months. I imagine there were also equipment costs and whatever else. I also know there are less expensive ways to start and starting without the investment is probably better than waiting until you can swing it financially. Could you share your thoughts on this? Thanks again… Tom

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      I left my job behind and went FULL in with EntrepreneurOnFire. Not a route everyone can do, but I had a solid savings cushion that would hold me over for about a year…not forever, but long enough to give me the courage to leap. I DEFINITELY invested a lot at the beginning, not necessary but it did help in a lot of areas. I do stress and suggest lean, but lean has a different meaning for different people and my lean allowed me to invest a decent chunk (around 10k) into myself at the beginning of my journey.

  • http://www.thefiscallyfit.com fiscally fit

    great podcast. Finally got my blog up and running but need focus more on what the exact business model will be. I have an idea but need to narrow it down. keep up the good work!!

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

      Fiscally Fit…great work taking action! Keep rockin!

  • http://www.fiscalfizzle.com Wojo

    I’m new to the concept of batching, though of course it makes perfect sense! Not only can it be applied to business things, but I’m going to try to implement batch ideas in my personal life as well. Thanks for another great episode!

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      Let us know how you utilize batching in the future…I would love to see how it works out :-)

  • http://bestdarnhomebusiness.com Robert Marsh

    Hey Pat,
    Great Interview. This direction of Podcasting and how it is really taking over traditional blogging and Social communication is really intriguing.

    Although I am more old school I think what you and John are doing is really fantastic.

    Of course looking at your numbers simply tells the whole story.

    Keep it up guys as you are inspiring a lot of people.


    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      Thanks for the feedback and kind words!

  • joe


  • Melissa Wilson

    Just want to say great episode, Pat and John! This was definitely inspiring and informative. John, it’s clear that you love what you’re doing and that’s what keeps you motivated. I think it’s so important to find something you’re passionate about that also meets the needs of your audience and I think it’s great that you are doing just that. This episode was so inspiring because John is an example of making success happen and he provides insight into how he did it. Thanks, guys!

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      You nailed it! Thanks for the share!

  • http://mypropertips.blogspot.com Abay

    Your content is very useful at all, I am happy to read it.

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

      Thanks Abay…Glad you enjoyed!

  • http://getblogged.ca/blog/is-there-a-secret-system-for-biz-success/ David Decato

    Its interesting to keep hearing about the benefit of networking and also about being everywhere. The story of entrepreneur on fire is awesome.

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      Thank you for the kind words! Networking is POWERFUL!

  • https://karatbars.com/?s=goldbanker Casey Tan

    Hey John! Great tips and advices. Just continue what you are doing as it is helping many people. Also, I wanna take the opportunity to share with everyone of a great way to earn 5 figures easily. Just visit http://bit.ly/18DigSQ to learn how. Thank you!

  • http://www.lightafflictions.com Troy Eckhardt

    Pay, thank you for all you do. John, thanks for the encouragement!

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      My pleasure…and keep rockin!

  • http://sweetmiles.com Sarah @ Sweet Miles

    Oh I can already tell I’m so excited to read this!! Anxiously waiting for the transcript! I’ve been struggeling lately in a job I can barely tolerate, and with dreams I KNOW I can accomplish but am scared to take the plunge. There’s so much information out there and I’m trying to soak up as much as I can. Excited for some more encouragement!

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      Encouragement on the way 😉

  • Mary

    John, I really enjoyed this podcast and learned so many tips and more insight of what you do!! Thanks so much.

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      Thank YOU for the kind words and so glad you enjoyed!

  • http://bestjuicerreviews24h.com/ Bunner Malinda

    Wow! This episode was packed full of great info. I’m even more amped to launch my podcast in September after listening to this. Thanks for the encouragement.

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

      Go forth and conquer Bunner!

  • joe

    Hi John, loved the interview. How were you able to get traffic in the beginning? Was it because the people you interviewed linked to the interview and social shared it etc?

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

      Exactly Joe, I leveraged their traffic as I had NO online presence whatsoever…so it’s VERY doable :-)

  • http://breakingferriss.com Nate

    This was inspirational to me as a guy trying to start a music podcast. I’m always conflicted when the “test biz ideas in parallel” concept runs up against the “one thing at a time” adage. As I ramp up a niche site, I’m also trying to dry test some products. Was inspired by a Noah Kagan interview. Phew – deep breaths;)

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

      Best of luck Nate! and yes…deep breaths are KEY!

  • http://waystoincreaseincome.com Darren

    Wow, that’s a really motivating session, what a huge effort John….. Makes me want to do more

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

      “The path to success is to take massive, determined action.” ? Anthony Robbins

  • http://www.medxpower.com Clark

    It’s very Interesting post . this post would become very helpful for me to make more clients for my business.

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

      I agree Clark…now take action!

  • Sheila

    Love this, guys! Feeling so inspired. I’m going to start listening to EOF! Not sure I can keep up with the daily turnover, but will be using it to fill in the gaps.
    John is so passionate and on the ball, I wanted to hang on to every word. What an awesome story, finding a need within a subset of podcast users and then going for it! It’s amazeballs. =)

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

      Amazeballs…can I use that on EntrepreneurOnFire Sheila? Love it!

  • http://strivengrind.com Kevin Stimpson

    Great episode Pat and John. I started a motivational blog a few months ago, and am really considering starting a podcast on it. There was a lot great insight here. Thank you!

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

      You are welcome Kevin…thank YOU for the kind words!

  • http://www.artofarete.com Emeroy

    Loved this episode. One of my favorite episodes yet. I love the point you guys made about having their backs on the wall because that’s where I’m currently at. I have a 10 month old son and living off unemployment. Listening to your podcasts really helps give me the encouragement I need in times of doubt.

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

      Rockin Emeroy…time to take determined action!

  • http://www.craigmcbreen.com/ Craig McBreen

    The custom domain thing … genius :) One of the best ideas I’ve heard in weeks, really. Listened to the podcast this morning on the way to work and so glad Pat introduced me to your show, John.

  • http://makeyourhairgrowfaster.net/ Ray @ Make Your Hair Grow Faster

    Hey, Pat! Is there anywhere I can find your podcasts transcribed? Don’t always have the chance to listen, but would love to be able to go through and read some of the interviews. Keep up the great work!

  • http://www.internetbusinesspassion.com Ryan Cote

    Huge fan of John’s podcast Pat, thanks for having him on your podcast, another favorite of mine. It’s great to have two skilled podcasters on the line together because the end result is usually interesting and advanced content.

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

      Ryan, thanks for the kind words and for listening to EntrepreneurOnFire!

      • Greg Savage

        I feel soo far behind. We started out sites around the same time. I need to step it up a notch!

  • http://freedomlovin.com Kevin

    Hey John/Pat, nice podcast. I’m curious, John said he has full time VA’s, but also said he edits his own podcast. John are you still doing that? I recently started a podcast that’s not profitable, but the first thing I did was outsource the editing to a guy that does them for about $12 in the Philippines. Since this isn’t a creative task, I feel that is totally worth it- especially if you’re doing daily shows!

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      Something I SHOULD do, but it’s something I can’t let go of yet. I am very particular…to my detriment :-)

  • http://www.blog.drumsource.co.uk dan

    Love that John quoted einstein, great quote too! “Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value.” I always think to myself about what success will be like but try to define success.. not easy. When you provide value, you’ll know.

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      Glad you like my man Albert as well!

  • http://rjcid.com rjcid



    Ha HA, love this show Pat! Thanks for just doing what u do.

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

      That just made my Friday RJ…ha!

  • http://www.launchpixels.com Zeeshan

    Wonderful podcast. I’ve been listening to both of your podcasts Pat & John, and its absolutely enlightening.
    I usually listen to podcasts on my way back home from office and for a minute I got confused as to whose podcast did I turn on?! SPI or EOF!?!

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

      hahahah, as long as you are listening to both we salute you Zeeshan!

  • http://www.entrepreneuronfire.com/ Kate | EntrepreneurOnFire

    Pat and John – I just finished listening to this episode for the SECOND time, and I must say that it is my favorite interview that John has ever done (and I’ve listened to A LOT of John’s interviews). So, thank you both for bringing such valuable and inspiring content to the table on a very consistent basis! You guys rock :)

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

      Thank you Kate…those are very kind words. What can I say, Pat brings the best out in me :-)

  • http://www.theriverstonegroup.com John Kramp

    I loved this podcast. I had already been listening to Entrepreneur on Fire but was not aware of the story behind the “podcast a day” strategy that John Lee Dumas used to launch it. On a recent trip, I listened to about ten of John’s podcasts to understand the template he uses in his interviews. Intriguing. Thanks, Pat, for doing this interview. And thanks, John, for the inspiring story.

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      Thank you for your kind words! Glad you enjoy :-)

  • http://managingfires.wordpress.com Matt Oliver

    Great content. Thanks for putting it all in one place. I’m just getting started, struggling a bit, but am taking every ounce of advice.

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

      We all started somewhere Matt!

  • http://dageniuslab.com Brian Kwong

    I’ve been seeing John around lately on the internet and I knew I heard about John somewhere last year but I couldn’t recall. And Pat mentioned it, it was at the end of that presentation that Pat gave last year and I remember thinking, this dude is crazy, a podcast a day??!?!?!? lol
    I am so inspired that in less than a year, you are where you are now, through taking massive actions, building relationships and implementing from the greats that came before us. Looking forward to hear more from you John and as always, thank you Pat, you rock :)

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

      Thank you for the kind words…you rock!

  • http://www.manturity.com/ Bryan

    Pat, this was my first time listening to your podcast and I loved it brother! Let’s just say it “lit a fire” in me… Thanks for sharing this great podcast and information. Looking forward to listening to more!

    • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


      It truly was my pleasure and I am so glad you enjoyed!

  • Michael Young

    Pat – another great show.
    John – Thanks so much for all the inspiration and insights during the show. I look forward to catching up on eonfire!

    Great content. Both of you. Thanks again.

  • http://www.navidmoazzez.com Navid Moazzez

    Thanks so much Pat and John for this awesome episode.

    John, you are a true inspiration and I try to listen to your podcast as often as I can.

    Other than that I see you inside of Fire Nation Elite on a daily basis and the epic community and mastermind group of like-minded people you have built up (together with all the great members of course).

    It’s really cool what you have accomplished in a short time frame, and you inspire me even more to take massive action and go after the things I want in life!

  • http://www.cacracker.com/download-admit-cards-of-ca-pcc-ipcc-final/ Noor

    Wow,,, thats really inspiration builder for me. I will be waiting for this day to come in my life and it will come for sure. Thx sir..

  • http://exploringmindandbody.com Drew

    Thanks for this interview Pat, as always a pleasure hearing one of your podcasts. And thanks so much John, your energy and enthusiasm is more than inspiring!

    Making connections is hard for me to do, I’m not great at reaching out and when I do I either don’t get a response or it turns into someone trying to sell me something. Would you guys have any suggestions or maybe direct me to a link that could help me better understand how to find and make quality connections?

  • http://divinetimeastrology.com Karen

    Hi Pat,

    I notice that you provide transcripts of your show too. When I was doing BlogTalkRadio, a transcript cost $150.00 each show. Are your costs for your transcripts compariable, or are they less (she asks hopefully)?

    Excellent website, excellent content and tutorials!

  • http://www.morningcoach.com JB Glossinger

    John rocks,

    It is amazing I told my story on his show, but have not listened to John’s. Thanks for the post. It is amazing how many experts said not to do a daily podcast. I am on Episode 1765! Been doing them Mon – Fri for years. Just do it baby! That is what John is doing…. Rock Star.

    Work ethic is the key, keep working the systems, I wasn’t even profitable through the first 500 even with 12,000 people in a community. John is a great example or working hard, working smart, and making it happen.

    Great job bro, and awesome post…. thanks both of you, we need more people out in the world like you guys.

    Proud to say I was episode 5 on EOF!

    Keep rocking guys!!!

  • http://www.themarketingguy.net Imran Ali

    Hey Pat

    A very informative article and podcast. The bit about hiring VAs is excellent. A good place I usually use to look for VAs is http://www.elance.com , you can find many VAs here for $3-$4 an hour that are from India and the Philippines.

  • http://www.mig-marketing.com Narcis

    It’s interesting Patt and John say that you use new domain names to help people remember some specific service. On the other hand, is this helpful to have more visits from Google? I mean is it good for seo to have http://www.yourWeb.com/someDomain or it does not have any significant advantage to: to: http://www.yourWeb.com/anyWord.html

  • http://www.whysheid.nl Pim

    Great podcast as always, I’m going to a building process of a startup and entrepreneurship site in Dutch. I gives me definitely inspiration for the webdesign and I learned a lot about what to focus on in the design. Thank you both so much for making a difference in my startup! :)

  • http://www.expertsenterprise.com Hugh Culver

    This is great. Two rock stars sharing freely. I’m a fan of both of you!

  • http://responsivewpthemes.org/ Akhtar

    This is my first time visit this and find really great valuable content all in one place.

  • http://earnmoneywithsteve.com Steve West

    Hey Pat, what an awesome podcast, very enjoyable and loads of really great info! Wow John’s a pretty inspirational guy, I am amazed and so impressed how far he’s come in such a short space of time! I found it especially helpful listening to you guy’s talking about the importance of branding.
    Best Regards, Steve

  • http://www.justgogetbetter.com SB

    Hi Pat, this was a wonderful interview (rather a genuine discussion) between two adventurous and successful entrepreneurs. A very helpful interview with lots of strategies, which everyone should follow in his pursuits. I am regular listener of John’s podcast (on my drive to work and back) and my blog post ” 8 Great Inspirational Podcasts Shows, You Won’t Ever Want To Miss For Success In Career”, captures lots of his inspirational podcasts (including yours, Pat). I appreciate your hard work and transparency and keep up the good work… Cheers.

  • http://tutorial.world.edu Rina

    Thanks for this great podcast, Sir :)
    I love this interview, and I will learn more in
    Always successful :)

  • http://www.webdesignboom.com/ WebDesignBoom

    I m new to here really great and useful podcast…Thanks much

  • Tyler Maddox

    Fixed Annuities can provide great passive income. Go to http://FixedAnnuity4Me.com for more info.

  • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


    Love the name! With my 5 O’clock shadow I would probably ask for the reverse :-)

  • http://researchasahobby.com Michael Bely

    Hi John! Thanks to Pat that he introduced you on his blog. I wrote a comment above and saw you are in here. So I will ask you directly If you let me please. Pat’s blog is about income so here is my relevant question that can bring many intrigued people to your website. HOW CAN YOU DO 5-fig income per month with not very active visitors on your website?! It would be great if you give us a short hint. Meanwhile I am already going to check out your website recommended by Pat.

  • rjcid

    Funny thing is, I subscriped to your podcast yesterday without even knowing this podcast was up yet…


    Go time. I am ready to rock my niche website. My backs against the wall, time to break through…

  • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas


    EntrepreneurOnFire.com is secondary to the podcast EntrepreneurOnFire. The podcast is what has the listener base, and the website is for those that want to find out more. For a podcast first business like EntrepreneurOnFire, the income is not generated by the website as much as by the # of listeners. That is what the sponsors pay for, and that is where my audience is. Hope this helps!

  • http://www.EntrepreneurOnFire.com John Lee Dumas

    Rockin RJ, you’ll crush it!